OHISEEWATUDIDTHAR
So, yeah, I don’t update my blog often. Mostly because I am over at Arioch’s or Koala’s comment sections, enjoying the debauchery. Another reason is that I am also working on a joint venture Fan Fic Blog with some people. You can check it out here .
I am writing this post today because I am questioning a part of my life. That part being my WoW life. I think that it is possible that I take the game too seriously. I know from my times as a console RPGer, from Final Fantasy (NES version) to Zelda: A Link to the Past to Chrono Trigger to Too Human and every console based RPG inbetween, I have always seen the end boss of the game as a goal to obtain. To beat. To destroy. To conquer. The same goes with WoW. I see Arthas as a goal. Something that can be obtained. The problem with this is group dynamics.
Group dynamics dominate WoW endgame. Whether you are a 2300 rated Arena Team or knocking on 25m HM LK’s door, your group is your greatest strength. It can also be your biggest weakness. When it comes to the endgame, Blizzard did a great job of tightly tuning it so that one mistake, regardless of what you are doing, causes massive failure. Whether it is chaining Ice Tombs in P3 Sindragosa, or not CC’ing that pesky rogue before he ROFLSTOMPS your healer, a mistake on your part as a raider/team member costs your whole team.
Now, why do I say these things that people SHOULD already know? Well, to me, it doesn’t seem like they do. Very few people I know that are raiding in WoW currently are doing it just for kicks. Most are doing to knock down The Lich King, whether it is due to a deep seeded hatred steaming from Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, from the lore of WoW itself, or just to get their hands on some of the best weapons available in game. They want their Kingslayer title.
My hope is that once the 10% or 15% goes into affect, they remove the “Kingslayer” title from the game. 5% I can understand. Even some of the most skilled guilds worldwide didn’t take down LK until the 5% buff was in affect, so me taking him down with it doesn’t bother me. 5%, hell even 30%, increased healing/hp/damage is not going to make you down an encounter specifically designed to be hard. The later fights in ICC (PP, Sindragosa and LK) are not designed to be total dps races. They are designed to be technically difficult on the raider individually.
Last night in vent, someone said it perfectly:
“It is easy for people to deal with mechanics that randonly affect one person. Once there is a mechanic that affects everyone, that is when the shit hits the fan.”
I am not going to lie. I am upset with some of my guildies currently. We are in a guild to reach a common goal. That goal is to down the Lich King. We can’t even take care of an easy mechanic in the next to last boss fight before him. Have we improved from what we once were? Yes. Can we do much better? Yes, we can. My belief goes along the lines of the above quoted statement. Endgame bosses seperate the goods from the bads. Sure, people can get out of the fire individually, but once that fire affects the entire raid, chaos will ensue.
I will even go back before our progression raids to our Classic Raid Night. We have been attempting Firefighter and One Light in the Darkness to complete our Glory of the Ulduar Raider achievements. Our best attempt on firefighter got us to 10% on each piece in phase 4. If we can do that, we can down him right? Wrong. Because getting that far means a shaman had to pop ankh and a druid had to brez, then the same druid had to use the soul stone that was on him. Every successive attempt after that was utter fail. I would take a 1% wipe over not making it back to p4 for the rest of our tries.
I decided to call off the attempts and just down Mimron normally, which we do with zero deaths and smooth as butter. So, we move on to One Light in the Darkness. I decided to send a boomkin, a hunter, an enhance shaman and a DK inside the portal. Pop lust in the portal, nuke everything, destroy the brain and GTFO before Insight Madness is cast. What happens? All four die in the portal. HOW??? Oh right, the two classes I sent inside the portal that can heal, didn’t. Why? I can only assume it was because they tunneled visioned and saw recount. They then decided not to perform the utility provided by their class.
Which brings me to my last point. I am not the know all end all of WoW. I am not the best player out there. However, I use every tool at my toons disposal to ensure the job gets done. When I am on my Prot Warrior, if I am not tanking, I putting out as much dps as I can. If I notice someone is high on the threat meter, I will switch the current target of my Vigilance to them. I will then Intevene them because it reduces threat by 10%. A good example of this? Last night our boomkin was threat capping our DK tank on Sindragosa. He was getting lucky RNG and didn’t have any stacks of Unchained Magic so he was basically able to free cast. The tank was getting 6-7 stacks of Chilled to the Bone and to stop attacking. Moonkin threat monster ensues. So I Vigilance him and Intervene, which drops his threat safely below the tanks and we continue on.
When I am on my Disc Priest, I heal as normal. If I see a target outthreating the tank, I will Pain Suppression them, because it reduces threat by 10%. If I have no target to heal, I will dot up the boss. If something needs to be dispelled/cured, I cure it. If the raid is low on hp, I pop a Borrowed Time hasted Prayer of Healing.
When I am on my DK, I will Chains of Ice anything that is rootable so it doesn’t pwn a clothie. I will Death Grip adds to me if it runs toward a healer. I play Unholy and sacraficing my ghoul is easily 800-1000 dps lost. If my hp is low and the healers are having a hard time keeping up the raid, I will sacrafice that rat bastard in a heartbeat. I will break off Saurafang to Chains of Ice/taunt adds.
Even if it is a fight I already know like the back of my hand, every strategy/video that I post on our guild site I read/watch a dozen times. I want to make sure it is the best strat for US. Fuck everyone else. This is about my guild. My team. I don’t care if it is Tankspot’s/Paragon’s/Ensidia’s strategy, if it doesn’t work for us or I don’t think it will work for us, I won’t use it. I won’t sign by it. I will find something better or make the shit up on my own. So, read the strats/watch the videos for the encounters until you know them.
If I am leading a raid, don’t tell me to calm down. If I get heated in the moment, it is because I am trying to get the best out of you. I know what each and every one of you are capable of. I expect peak performance whenever I raid with you, or you can sit out while I bring in the 4500 GS hunter that will do everything I tell them without question and down every boss in the instance.
/sarcasm “Oh great job. You are the best Tirael. Is your epeen big enough now?” /endsarcasm
It isn’t about my epeen. Everyone always thinks it is about my epeen. IT IS NEVER ABOUT WHAT I DO, IT IS HOW I CAN MAKE THE GROUP SUCCEED. Read: G.R.O.U.P. My guild success is what matters to me. That is why I run GotUR. That is why I run ToGC 10. None of my toons need anything from there, except the drake.
I have ToGC 10 Mad Skill on two toons. None of this is so I can show off how big my goddamn dick is. It is for YOU. All of YOU. I want you to be the best. I know you are. I want to give you the things so you can show that off to everyone else. I want to make your epeen bigger. I want us all to succeed in the goals of the GUILD!!!! .
So maybe I take it a little seriously. Well, a lot. I do it because I want us to succeed. I do this not for me, not for you, but for the guild as a whole.
We are at a point in raiding where the margin for error is far, far smaller than what we have been accustomed to. We have a history of using brute force and luck to power through encounters.
I know we all want to enjoy our time in the raids. But that does not exclude being on our toes and putting out the best damned performance we can. Having a good time is not synonymous with sloppy play. You want to be goofy and sloppy? Go run a heroic in your Brewfest gear.
People need to break out of their comfortable bubbles. Pay attention to what they are doing. Pay attention to what everyone else is doing. I think we are too often more concerned about individual performance than we are about supporting the team. When I look at the parses, I’m not just looking at DPS. I look at dispels, CC, etc. We need team-oriented players to get these last couple kills.
People don’t want to get yelled at for standing in the fire, but they don’t move out of the fire… it’s my job (or whoever else is leading) to call people out on that. If it becomes a problem, we have to make choices about removing people that can’t move out of the fire.
And this is why so many people want to move to 25s. In a 25-man raid, there is more room for error. If one person screws up, there is more likely someone able to pick up the slack. And this is why I prefer 10s, more personal accountability for supporting the raid.
Rambling reply is rambling. In short: /agree
Arioch - March 30, 2010 at 12:24 am |
The problem is that we continue to bring fails and we never boot them, mostly because we have no one better to bring in. The sad fact is that our best is not that good. We have 5-6 ppl that are very very good, but Sindragosa requires 10 people to be on their game, and we simply did not have it last night.
Dark/Soth - March 30, 2010 at 12:41 am |
I will admit, your “aggressive” style was a little offputting at first. What do you mean I have to be held accountable for my actions? Fuck that.
But you get results and I think you do help make people into better raiders.
FTR, I was not referring to you last week in my blog post. You are not on my ignore list.
So, carry on with your firestarter self.
zarigar - March 30, 2010 at 1:11 am |
Zari commented on my blog??!!!! I don’t know whether to be honored, slightly aroused by the Mohawk..or both….giggity.
Tiræl - March 30, 2010 at 1:15 am |
Crap, if it wasn’t Ty, then it has to be me. I’m sorry Zarigar. =(
Dark/Soth - March 30, 2010 at 1:30 am |
It wasn’t either of you. Didn’t you guys read the damn comments?
*sigh*
koalabear21 - March 30, 2010 at 2:06 am |
No, not soth, either. It wasn’t even something said in raid. Sorry for being so vague, it was just a minor annoyance and I’m over it now. I didn’t go into detail on purpose but now I feel bad that people are thinking I am referring to them.
zarigar - March 30, 2010 at 2:55 am
I am going to apologize in advance for a wall of text, but your post pretty much puts into words the message and feeling I have been getting for the last few raids, and reading it, honestly, 80% of what you wrote here sounded directed at me.
I get what you are saying. And I will be the first to admit, I was not at the top of my game for Sindragosa. Why? Honestly, I’m not sure. I could make excuses, or come up with reasons, but I simply wasn’t performing as well as I KNOW I can.
I am new to the raid team. I am getting used to the players, voices, methods, and sometimes fight mechanics. I want to perform well, probably more than any of you want me to, because I have something to prove – I’m new, none of you know me, and you would all be just as happy without me. So when I don’t, trust me, I do not take it lightly.
I apologize for what seems like a steep learning curve. I understand that the mechanics of a fight ARE the same whether you are dps or heals. But as someone who has spent much of the game standing in the back healing, I still think it is a change in how you see the fight; what is important when.
Example:
Firefighter – I died, more than once, to the shock blasty thing (note: as a healer, totally irrelevant mechanic, as melee it’s a gamebreaker). Totally my fault and I would pay repairs for everyone in the raid if I thought it would help. But it wouldn’t I don’t think. What would is going back and doing it right, showing I can support the team, and I am not looking for a free ride to a drake.
One Light in the Darkness – you sent two classes into the portals that CAN heal. Maybe I should have understood that meant I SHOULD heal. But, never having been inside the portals, EVER before, I did not know what to expect in there, or that I would need to heal. Again, my bad, but if we are doing hardmodes, with new people, who haven’t done them, let’s talk it out first.
I can watch a fight vid 20 times, and still not really understand until I experience it. I am not coming unprepared, but part of my learning is done on the field of battle. Again, my apologies to the teammates that are able to perfect their performance more quickly than I.
I will never tell someone to calm down. I will never take it personal if they call me out for standing in the bad. I appreciate their passion, and I appreciate their desire to succeed, and I wouldn’t be standing in the bad on purpose to eek out dps, so I would own up to my mistake, and do better. And if I don’t do better, kick me. I would rather cheer from the sidelines than drag my team down.
Umm… definitely too long, but I don’t think I would ever say most of this in game, so I will post anyway.
TLDR: I agree with your sentiments in general, in practice no one is perfect. It is tolerance while learning that makes the eventual victory with friends possible.
Slopoke - March 30, 2010 at 2:02 am |
These comments are a general statement. Don’t take tem personal. Notice I said “EVERYONE”, this includes me.
Tiræl - March 30, 2010 at 4:33 am |
I do not take it personally, as an affront to my character, but I do see myself in the errors you mention, and want to do better. I understand that your post was not directed to only one person, but I know that part of the frustration is due to people doing what I was doing, so for that, I felt the need to explain where I am coming from, and apologize.
Slopoke - March 30, 2010 at 5:04 am
Arioch informed me of a particular quote that was the crux of the ire. Since that is not something I would ever utter, I feel confident that it wasn’t me. =P
Dark/Soth - March 30, 2010 at 2:26 am |
I wasn’t in the raid last night, but I was in the raid on Friday and Saturday night. It was not a pretty sight.
I am used to raid leading. I have to constantly stop myself from saying something that I see happening out loud. Even then, there is only so much a person can take.
I think people have gotten complacent. They have gotten used to everything being easy and handed to them, so there is no need to put effort into anything. Something has to happen to shake them up and show them that “hey I am not the best” even if that means they get sat for several raids at a time.
I feel for you hun. I do.
koalabear21 - March 30, 2010 at 2:36 am |
I completely feel this. For me it’s all about walking that fine line between wanting to be a serious raider and wanting to play with my friends.
I <3 my guildies (for the most part) and some of them are very competent raiders, but some of them are not. We were in a limbo where on a night with the right people we could steamroll the first half of ICC but with one or two substitutions we were wiping on every boss at least once.
To rectify the situation, we've put together a progression group and basically said if you aren't in this group it's because you are undergeared or underperforming. If you are in this group, you are expected to have your stuff together or find yourself on the outside.
The unfortunate side effect is that 2 strong tanks, 2 strong healers and 2 strong dps couldn't carry our secondary raid past Marrowgar. :/
Randul the Dwarf - March 30, 2010 at 2:41 am |
Am I in trouble…..?
“It is easy for people to deal with mechanics that randomly affect one person. Once there is a mechanic that affects everyone, that is when the shit hits the fan.”
^^ Who said that, when did they say it, and where was I?
And a note to slo, we’ve all been on the wrong end of Tir’s cockslap, don’t take it personally, we still think you’re awesome.
Hêx - March 31, 2010 at 3:44 pm |
“I expect peak performance whenever I raid with you, or you can sit out while I bring in the 4500 GS hunter that will do everything I tell them without question and down every boss in the instance.”
Cause I’m a good girl
trixyheleva - April 1, 2010 at 5:59 am |